From: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org (Brotherhood Digest) To: brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Subject: Brotherhood Digest V1 #144 Reply-To: brotherhood Sender: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Errors-To: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Brotherhood Digest Sunday, February 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 144 Today's subjects from the Brotherhood: Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... Re : [Brotherhood] Hello.... Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 06:50:04 EST From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... Echo right back at you Mustafa, A bowed personalities force is the same except at the resolution of the battle. At the resolution of the battle, his force does not count toward the army total. At resolution the bowed personalities units force normally counts as zero. Why test of might a bowed personality? For a chance of Ring of fire, of course. His force is still printed except at resolution. So even though the personality might be bowed, if you challange him his printed force is what he starts at. This is based on range attacks. Would it not suck if your bowed dragon gets killed off by a range 0 attack? Monks in Spirit Wars Monk/spirit Uidori 4/3 0/7/2 No text Shosuro Chian Exp Scorpion clan monk 1/3 -/6/1 Chian can remain bowed. Open: Once per turn, if another player controls a Ninja card, Chian gains +1F/+3C and the Ninja trait until the turn ends. Open: Bow Chian to bow a Ninja card. The Ninja card remains bowed while Chian remains bowed. Roshungi Exp 4/3 -/10/1 Unaligned Dark Brother*Monk*Experienced*Unique*Shadowlands*Lose 3 Honor. Roshungi permanently gains +1F each time another player's Elemental Ring leaves play. Roshungi can attach The Lost Ono of Osano-Wo without Gold cost. Inkyo */2 - -/2/1 Force is equal to number of elemental rings in play. He can not cast kihos. :< Giuniko 0/2 2/4/2 Gains +1 f during battle for each opposing unit. Chou-sin 2/2 3/5/2 Unaligned Monk Chaou-Sin strightens during each player's Strighten Phase. Chou-Sin's Force and Chi cannot be raised except through Focusing. Everything I have said is just my opinion. You may take it as fact or ignore it. Good Luck. David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Starlight Blue Team As for Hoshi Kumonosu, I will agree with you. His force would be included even if he is bowed. A single card can still be considered a unit. It did not say each attached card. It says each card. I would not be surprised if this might get eratted. In a message dated Sat, 17 Feb 2001 6:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Mustafa Bharmal" writes: << Echo... Hi guys, Just checking, is anyone actually on this list?? Is it still working, or what?? Well, if anyone around here can help, I wanted to check on Hoshi Kumonosu. His trait says: Each card in Kumonosu's unit contributes its force to its army's total even if Kumonosu is bowed. This means any attached followers would still add their force to the army, but my question is does his own force count if he's bowed?? I always read it that it did (he is a card in his unit, so he contributes force even if he's bowed... right??). One of my play group figures it shouldn't break the bowed cards don't contribute force. On a similar(ish) note, do bowed cards have zero force, or normal force that doesn't contribute to the army's total. I think it's the first, but if so they can be 'Test of Mighted' and 'auto-lose'... this wouldn't apply if it was a duel of Chi and they were bowed?? One more thing, how many monks were there in Spirit Wars?? Anyone know?? Thanks, Mustafa A Simple Monk * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe >> * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:55:26 -0500 From: Daniel Comrie Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... > Hi guys, > Just checking, is anyone actually on this list?? > Is it still working, or what?? Still works, most of us are still here. > Well, if anyone around here can help, I wanted to check on Hoshi Kumonosu. > > His trait says: > Each card in Kumonosu's unit contributes its force to its army's total even > if Kumonosu is bowed. > > This means any attached followers would still add their force to the army, > but my question is does his own force count if he's bowed?? He's in his own unit, so yes. > I always read it that it did (he is a card in his unit, so he contributes > force even if he's bowed... right??). One of my play group figures it > shouldn't break the bowed cards don't contribute force. Then what would be the point of putting the trait on his card? > On a similar(ish) note, do bowed cards have zero force, or normal force that > doesn't contribute to the army's total. I think it's the first, but if so > they can be 'Test of Mighted' and 'auto-lose'... this wouldn't apply if it > was a duel of Chi and they were bowed?? The "not contrbute" one. > One more thing, how many monks were there in Spirit Wars?? 3. Roshungi Uidori Giuniko As I recall. Togashi Kinjao Dragon Clan Monk * Shugenja * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:02:19 +0100 From: "Gen" Subject: Re : [Brotherhood] Hello.... > This means any attached followers would still add their force to the army, > but my question is does his own force count if he's bowed?? > > I always read it that it did (he is a card in his unit, so he contributes > force even if he's bowed... right??). One of my play group figures it > shouldn't break the bowed cards don't contribute force. Well it already breaks the "don't contribute force to the army if the personality is bowed" rule ... And yes, it's feasible, and allows for the Chasing Osano-Wo / Kumonosu combo, a good help for those military monks among us ! Gen, kenku monk * Kolat "Why a mouse when it turns around ?" * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:58:18 +0200 From: Tero Holstila Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... Mustafa Bharmal wrote: > > Echo... > > Hi guys, > Just checking, is anyone actually on this list?? > Is it still working, or what?? Hi, looks like the list is still working. :-) That was a bit of surprise for me too, since I subscribed to this list about a month ago and I think this is the first message I've seen so far. Since I haven't posted to this list before, so a short introduction might be in order... My name is Tero Holstila, I'm 26 and live in Finland. I have been playing L5R for about two years now. I mostly play the brotherhood, but I have tried all the other clans at least once (with the exception of the Nezumi). > Well, if anyone around here can help, I wanted to check on Hoshi Kumonosu. > > His trait says: > Each card in Kumonosu's unit contributes its force to its army's total even > if Kumonosu is bowed. > > This means any attached followers would still add their force to the army, > but my question is does his own force count if he's bowed?? > > I always read it that it did (he is a card in his unit, so he contributes > force even if he's bowed... right??). One of my play group figures it > shouldn't break the bowed cards don't contribute force. I think you are reading the card correctly, since the card does say 'cards in his unit', it should include him too. I am pretty sure I have seen a ruling confirming that some time ago, but I couldn't find it anywhere, so I might be wrong. I have used Kumonosu a couple of times and I just have to say that Chasing Osano-Wo and Stain upon the Soul are truly awesome when cast by him during a battle, especially if has used other force-boosters before that. And if combined with Takao's Jingasa he can double his Force twice using these kihos. Kinda like a poor man's Wedge. :-) Kumonosu is also quite useful with kihos like Ryoku, Purity of the Spirit or the Great Silence. And he is the only personality that I can think of who can really benefit from Tattoo of the Night Sky (although Dragonfly tattoo is even better, with that Kumonosu is really hard to get rid of). > On a similar(ish) note, do bowed cards have zero force, or normal force that > doesn't contribute to the army's total. I think it's the first, but if so > they can be 'Test of Mighted' and 'auto-lose'... this wouldn't apply if it > was a duel of Chi and they were bowed?? > > One more thing, how many monks were there in Spirit Wars?? I think both of these were answered already... - -- Tero Holstila holstila@saunalahti.fi Hoshi Nekura - Unaligned Monk Pessimist * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:23:32 -0600 From: V2K Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... At 03:22 AM 2/17/01 +0000, you wrote: >Echo... > >Hi guys, >Just checking, is anyone actually on this list?? >Is it still working, or what?? I was kind of wondering that myself. >Well, if anyone around here can help, I wanted to check on Hoshi Kumonosu. > >His trait says: >Each card in Kumonosu's unit contributes its force to its army's total even >if Kumonosu is bowed. > >This means any attached followers would still add their force to the army, >but my question is does his own force count if he's bowed?? > >I always read it that it did (he is a card in his unit, so he contributes >force even if he's bowed... right??). One of my play group figures it >shouldn't break the bowed cards don't contribute force. Yes, he'd contribute his force, he's in his unit. If it said "all other cards in his unit" he wouldn't. >On a similar(ish) note, do bowed cards have zero force, or normal force that >doesn't contribute to the army's total. I think it's the first, but if so >they can be 'Test of Mighted' and 'auto-lose'... this wouldn't apply if it >was a duel of Chi and they were bowed?? They still have their full force, but it isn't contributed. :> * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: Todo Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Hello.... > This means any attached followers would still add > their force to the army, > but my question is does his own force count if he's > bowed?? I'd say it does count all cards attached to him, and his own freaky spiderwebbed ass. > I always read it that it did (he is a card in his > unit, so he contributes > force even if he's bowed... right??). One of my play > group figures it > shouldn't break the bowed cards don't contribute > force. Cards always take precedence over the rules. Even when they break them. > On a similar(ish) note, do bowed cards have zero > force, or normal force that > doesn't contribute to the army's total. I think it's > the first, but if so > they can be 'Test of Mighted' and 'auto-lose'... > this wouldn't apply if it > was a duel of Chi and they were bowed?? When targeted, he still has the force printed on the card, even if bowed. It's only considered 0 when calculating an army's total. So he's fine going into a test of might. > One more thing, how many monks were there in Spirit > Wars?? Only one important one! ===== Todo Woolly Maggot Clan Champion | Shadowlands Monk Founder - Save the Ogres - http://www.geocities.com/darkmoto "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US !!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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