From: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org (Brotherhood Digest) To: brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Subject: Brotherhood Digest V1 #124 Reply-To: brotherhood Sender: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Errors-To: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Brotherhood Digest Tuesday, July 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 124 Today's subjects from the Brotherhood: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! RE: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! RE: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! RE: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:40:39 -0400 From: Scott Ilkenhons Subject: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! What are the thoughts from the Enlightened Brothers on Otomo Sensei?? How do we enlightened few get around this? * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:40:04 EDT From: BShadrack@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! I *really* don't think many people will be using this- if they're scared of enlightenment (as they should be ) I bet they're going to just hantai for FtH or I Art. what I reccomend if this is not the case is using forgotten lesson. It is not only good vs. otomo, but also vs hantai and kuro. it slows down other enlightenmnet, and take out toshimoko so you can get fire. If you're using Hammer of earth/ogoko for earth, it takes care of kisada. I'm sure that there are more uses, but that's all I can think of. overall, a very strong card. The Unnamed Monk * Kolat * Ninja ( but not that crappy "faceless" kind) * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:12:05 ADT From: "Repairman Jack" Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! <> Note two things: Firstly, the player using Otomo Sensei MUST have his stronghold unbowed to use the ability; it is thus not so frightening as it first looks. Few Clans can afford to make use of it; Toturi's Army perhaps, Yoritomo's Alliance maybe, Kosaten Shiro. Most other Clans need either the money their stronghold can create, or else the abilities on the stronghold itself. Secondly, it only kills specific card draws - generic card draws are left entirely alone. While it will kill Walking the Way, or Kaede Sensei [or the original Brotherhood stronghold], it does nothing against Lessons from Kuro, or similar draws that don't choose what they get. Fall back slightly from the deck manipulation, and be less willing to send rings to the discard pile under the assumption that 'I can get it back later'. In fact, one of the few Clans that might put this to good use is the Brotherhood itself, to reclaim enlightenment from the Phoenix FETA decks. Toritaka Genaru Falcon Clan Scout. Crab Clan Samurai. Yoritomo's Alliance. http://www.geocities.com/islandofsilk/ andrew Aulenback YA++/CB+ S+ G+ R+ Y [P:M H 4 E(1)O EJ SJ-] Sc(56) C+ E++ ?M T D+ [o-ushi] U++ "In the ports of the Empire, strange gems and bitter sake are for sale. They say they are treasures from the Mantis lands, but where do the Mantis find them?" - Yasuki Taka ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:54:40 -0400 From: Scott Ilkenhons Subject: RE: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! Firstly, the player using Otomo Sensei MUST have his stronghold unbowed to use the ability; || It doesn't say anything about bowing your stronghold to use the Reaction on the Sensei. Did I miss something? Thanks. * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:56:18 -0400 From: Scott Ilkenhons Subject: RE: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! forgotten lesson And once again, the Brotherhood will pass on through. Thanks... L5R(2.2) BR++(NC4)/DR+ S+ G+ Y+ P:5 E(7) EJ+ I-- Sc(41) C E! !M !P !T S? D+ H++ !IC U http://run.to/gamers * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:13:00 EDT From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! Carry more shugenja in the deck and use amnesia. I still feel people will feel that Hantei sensei is superior, but against us with our walk the ways, refugee of the three sisters, banish all shadows, and I even think this sensei will effect Imperial Gift and battle at Isawa Palaces. The shugenja I reccomend are Seppun Kossorri and the Phoenix Water novice Asako Hosigeru. Use three of the Asako(great defense card as well and off the box) Two of the Seppun Kossori is advisable. She has an inate ability and can produce 2 gold. Amnesia can take care of all the problem..IT is the best solution that I can see. Good luck. I am also worrired about the cheap Kolat Chambers..Which has a reaction that reads Imeediately after a card effect to get an elemental ring from his or her deck or disacrd pile, bow kolat chambers to discard the ring from play. Now this damn thing only cost 2 gold so everybody can use it. Now I do not know why this thing was made, except of course to screw Kaede Sensei people as well as directly SCREW the older Monk stronghold where we just bowed to get a ring from our deck after we had accomplished an act to play a ring. Solution is four things things. Kitsu Kagi's Journal to cancel the action. Also destruction of the holding with terrains. Held Terrain a rare. or Occupied Terrain..Yes folks we actually have a use for this card now..So sad. We can take over the holding by duels. Contested Holding We can destroy the holding with Night of a Thousand Fires..(Ninja Action..anybody got a ninja to bow?) So there you have it. Enlightnement much harder now. David Starr whitecat31 For the record I pack Amnesia in my deck and Kitsu Kagi's Journal In a message dated 7/3/00 8:54:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Scott_Ilkenhons@rmic.com writes: << What are the thoughts from the Enlightened Brothers on Otomo Sensei?? How do we enlightened few get around this? * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe >> * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:19:31 ADT From: "Repairman Jack" Subject: RE: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! <<<>>> <> Unless the ability strictly says otherwise, any ability [not trait, but ability] printed on a card can only be used if the card is unbowed - even if the ability does not require the bowing of the stronghold. Remember, Sensei abilities are considered to be printed on the Stronghold. For example, a bowed personality cannot use the ability that the Tactician trait allows them to take, if they are currently bowed. A bowed Den of Mujina cannot produce Mujina tokens. A bowed stronghold, similarly, does nothing that is not a trait, yes? That's why several stronghold abilities actually say that the PERSONALITIES you control get said abilities [such as the Yogo Towers, or Kage Sensei], allowing it to be written as a trait... Or can TA's Otosan Uchi stronghold reduce the cost of followers once it is bowed? Toritaka Genaru Falcon Clan Scout. Crab Clan Samurai. Yoritomo's Alliance. http://www.geocities.com/islandofsilk/ andrew Aulenback YA++/CB+ S+ G+ R+ Y [P:M H 4 E(1)O EJ SJ-] Sc(56) C+ E++ ?M T D+ [o-ushi] U++ "In the ports of the Empire, strange gems and bitter sake are for sale. They say they are treasures from the Mantis lands, but where do the Mantis find them?" - Yasuki Taka ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:27:37 ADT From: "Repairman Jack" Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! <> Or, of course, explosives. 8g but no ninja required. <> Again. A year ago, I was VERY proud that I'd accomplished Enlightenment 5 times, and with YA and Crab decks! Now, much less so. You've all already heard this 'rant' from me, however, so I'll spare you all [grins]. Mind you, the Contested Holding solution is interesting - the duel could even snag you the rings of Fire, Void, and Air if you play it right. In the end, the answer to both this and to Otomo Sensei is to not use Kaede Sensei and Bonsai Gardens to make life too easy. Play Enlightenment the 'hard' way - build the deck to be workable without them, and if you see either of the two cards in question hit the table, grin and bear it. Much like Finding the Harmony, if you don't actually NEED it, the loss in any particular game should not hurt too much... Toritaka Genaru Falcon Clan Scout. Crab Clan Samurai. Yoritomo's Alliance. http://www.geocities.com/islandofsilk/ andrew Aulenback YA++/CB+ S+ G+ R+ Y [P:M H 4 E(1)O EJ SJ-] Sc(56) C+ E++ ?M T D+ [o-ushi] U++ "In the ports of the Empire, strange gems and bitter sake are for sale. They say they are treasures from the Mantis lands, but where do the Mantis find them?" - Yasuki Taka ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:03:04 EDT From: BShadrack@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Aaaaaargh!! Right now I play a "mostly" clean enlightenment deck- the only questionable card I use is kaede sensei. Do any of you play a non-kaede deck that wins often? Please post it. thanks. The Unnamed Monk * Kolat * Ninja * Tattooed * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ End of Brotherhood Digest V1 #124 ********************************* * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood-digest * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, mail * brotherhood-digest-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of 'unsubscribe'