From: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org (Brotherhood Digest) To: brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Subject: Brotherhood Digest V1 #115 Reply-To: brotherhood Sender: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Errors-To: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Brotherhood Digest Friday, May 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 115 Today's subjects from the Brotherhood: RE: [Brotherhood] Blame the Ninja! Re: [Brotherhood] Blame the Ninja! [Brotherhood] Monk Deck Downunder Re: [Brotherhood] Monk Deck Downunder [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck [Brotherhood] my monk deck Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck Re: [Brotherhood] my monk deck ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:09:00 -0700 From: "Scott Schultz" Subject: RE: [Brotherhood] Blame the Ninja! Very amusing. :-) What tune is the song set to? Scott Schultz scott@ceweekly.com Enlightenment Wannabe 45th member of the Horiuchi Shoan Fan Club Save the Ogres! * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:55:06 EDT From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Blame the Ninja! I was thinking it was Blame Canada from the South Park movie. I wonder? In a message dated 05/25/2000 12:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, scott@ceweekly.com writes: << Very amusing. :-) What tune is the song set to? Scott Schultz scott@ceweekly.com Enlightenment Wannabe 45th member of the Horiuchi Shoan Fan Club Save the Ogres! >> * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:10:31 +1000 From: Dave McLoughlin Subject: [Brotherhood] Monk Deck Downunder Greetings Brothers I would be interested in any feed back on this deck, what I'm trying to do here is a Dueling/Enlightenment with the option of running for honour if I need to. Sensei's wont be a problem as there are only a couple of other players in this isolated part of the country and they don't seem to use them. Doom of the Brotherhood could be a problem but hopefully Bonsai Gardens will help, I do have 3 'Enlightenment' that I havent included that may be helpful if needed. The Kolat Assassin is just a little surprise if needed, other wise he's just fodder for the Merchant Caravan. And Malekish... well bung a naginata on him and with the Dragonfly Fortress, I'll be able to stack the top 6 cards on the fate deck. Anyway, I'll leave it with you, be as critical as you need to, I have big broad tattooed shoulders and can handle it so go your hardest. May the Fortunes guide you. Kirazo (Tattooed Monk, Legion of the Wolf) The House of Tao Dynasty Cards (44) 1 Takao Exp 2 1 Ikudaiu Exp 2 Yoshun 1 Gekkai 1 Hoshi Wayan 2 Togashi Mitsu 3 Hoshi Maseru 2 Heichi Chokei 3 Shioda 2 Matsu Hiroru 1 Agasha Gennai 2 Malekish 3 Small farms 2 Merchant Caravans 3 Jade Works 1 Temple to Shinsei 2 Sanctified Temples 3 Prayer Shrines 1 Fortress of the Dragonfly 1 Bonsai Garden 3 Refuge of the Three Sisters Chrysanthemum Festival Enlightened Ruler Inheritance Blessings of Isawa Fate Deck (41) 1 Avoid Fate 3 Bend Like a Reed 3 Iaijutsu Challenge 2 Pressure 3 Iaijutsu Duel 3 Superior Tactics 3 Entrapping Terrain 1 Kolat Assassin 1 Armor of Osono-Wo 2 Blood Swords 2 Naginata 1 Walking the Way 2 Finding the Harmony 3 Void Strike 3 Warrior Monks 3 Shield Walls Ring of Air Ring of Water Ring of Void Ring of Fire Ring of Earth * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:18:18 EDT From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Monk Deck Downunder First suggestion. You want to win. Hyrbid decks rarely win. It is the deck that has one intent and one purpose that usually wins. Always try to have a purposeful path to victory. It is ok to have a secondary path. So I say to you should use the Kaede Sensei and ignore the honor path. You can use the honor path for things like Imperial Favor control and such. If you want a secondary path to victory throw in one or two cards to do it. One card I suggest is Dashmar. Just bow him when you hit 40 honor and win. Since you want to cancel out others from winning by honor try events like Far From the Empire and Kisada's Funeral. Now concentrate on enlightenment. The Bonsai Gardens will NOT help you against Doom of the Brothehood. The targeted ring is removed from play. GAME OVER. The Bonsais Gardens can not retrieve a ring that is no longer in play. It can retrieve a ring from your discard pile though. Now what do you do to stop it. You use three Dharma Techs and two to three avoid fates. Also the Dharma tech can help you a little in getting the ring of air out. You might want to consider the promo the seer or the the dragon shrine to help you out as well. Both those can combat the nasty event. I wish there was an event that says "there is no Doom". Instead of there is no hope. Since you might not want to honor run. Take out your sanctified temples and put in another Temple to shensei. I noticed your severe lack of shugenja and spells. Enlightenment takes time and you need to stall. Put in more walking the ways and three rise from the ashes if you can get them. Also add the event the emperors peace. The best Shugenja Not off the stronghold to add would be seppun Kossori. Her inate abilitiy is easy to use and gives you two gold.; Makes an easier path to the ring of air. Put in three of her. Take out Gekkai and Agasha Gennai and add another Heichi Chokei. Take out Hoshi Wayan as well. He is only good for a quick 2 hnor that he gives the clan. Since you are not running honor you don't need him. I do not see the advantage of Ikudaiu exp either. Are you using the new stronghold or the one that lets you start with a ring in play. You seem to like duels. I reccomend that you get some Iaijutsu Art cards and scrap your other dueling cards. This will help you on the path of the ring of fire. Yeah it can be considered cheap, but I am not a theoligan on enlightenment just a critic. Get your self a double chi kiho card as well. You could also forget about the blood swords and naganatta. If anything you want two fortress of the dragonfly to help out your Matsu Hiroru. Put a Tetsubo on him and it is an easy path to the ring of fire. Primary path for Ring of Fire should be I arts +double chi. Secondary path should be Matsu Hiroru and an assasination. I personally do not like Pressure. Although Shioda can bow one of your temple to Shensei to unbow the stronghold. I personally do not like Void Strikes because they have a nasty tendancy to be random and can easily discard a card you might want later. Another reason to have the Kaede Sensei. In a message dated 05/25/2000 4:10:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dmclough@lis.net.au writes: << Greetings Brothers I would be interested in any feed back on this deck, what I'm trying to do here is a Dueling/Enlightenment with the option of running for honour if I need to. Sensei's wont be a problem as there are only a couple of other players in this isolated part of the country and they don't seem to use them. Doom of the Brotherhood could be a problem but hopefully Bonsai Gardens will help, I do have 3 'Enlightenment' that I havent included that may be helpful if needed. The Kolat Assassin is just a little surprise if needed, other wise he's just fodder for the Merchant Caravan. And Malekish... well bung a naginata on him and with the Dragonfly Fortress, I'll be able to stack the top 6 cards on the fate deck. Anyway, I'll leave it with you, be as critical as you need to, I have big broad tattooed shoulders and can handle it so go your hardest. Superior Tactics is cool, but you may notice many of your personalities do not have 3 chi or more unless you have the dragonfly fortresses. You might want to consider diversionary tactics or even no terrain destroyers at all. Now replace those terrain destroyers with flooded pass. Great defense and you do not even have to send a unit to protect. Pisses off those ponies something fierece. I like the idea of three refuge of the three sisters, but you might want to consider other regions like clan heartland and tidal land bridge, I use Two refuge of the three sisters and a golden sun plain myself. You might want to consider an imperial surveyor, this allows you to recycle your regions. Fun card. Well I am rambling. Have fun. Whitecat31 surveyor of the royal harem through magical glasses May the Fortunes guide you. Kirazo (Tattooed Monk, Legion of the Wolf) The House of Tao Dynasty Cards (44) 1 Takao Exp 2 1 Ikudaiu Exp 2 Yoshun 1 Gekkai 1 Hoshi Wayan 2 Togashi Mitsu 3 Hoshi Maseru 2 Heichi Chokei 3 Shioda 2 Matsu Hiroru 1 Agasha Gennai 2 Malekish 3 Small farms 2 Merchant Caravans 3 Jade Works 1 Temple to Shinsei 2 Sanctified Temples 3 Prayer Shrines 1 Fortress of the Dragonfly 1 Bonsai Garden 3 Refuge of the Three Sisters Chrysanthemum Festival Enlightened Ruler Inheritance Blessings of Isawa Fate Deck (41) 1 Avoid Fate 3 Bend Like a Reed 3 Iaijutsu Challenge 2 Pressure 3 Iaijutsu Duel 3 Superior Tactics 3 Entrapping Terrain 1 Kolat Assassin 1 Armor of Osono-Wo 2 Blood Swords 2 Naginata 1 Walking the Way 2 Finding the Harmony 3 Void Strike 3 Warrior Monks 3 Shield Walls Ring of Air Ring of Water Ring of Void Ring of Fire Ring of Earth >> * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:23:05 EDT From: IceSith@aol.com Subject: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck i've got my monk enlightenment deck fully decided and all i need is to get the cards. since it may not be bossible to get 3 banish all shadows, 2 avoid fates, and 2 finding the harmonies by the kotei on the 24th of next month i have a backup deck in case i can't get the cards. it's a dueling dragon deck (yeah i know this isn't a dragon list but please help anyway). well, here goes: stronghold iron mountain DYNASTY: 42 HOLDINGS: 21 dragon charter 3 gold mine 3 gold smith 3 jade works 3 sanctified temple 3 hiruma dojo 3 fortress of the dragonfly kakita's "the sword" (hopefully it's in the mail now) tattooing chamber REGIONS: 1 streets of otosan uchi EVENTS: 1 inheritence PERSONALITIES: 19 hitomi reju hitomi kokujin kitomi kokujin exp 3 mirumoto uso 3 agasha gennai hitomi exp3 3 mirumoto hitomi 3 hitomi nakuso 3 togashi mitsu i'll add an exp2 hoshi and exp2 yokuni if i can get them FATE: 44 ITEMS: 9 ancestral armor of the dragon (on hitomi by herself it's +3/+3) ancestral sword (took me an arm and a leg and a spleen ..... to get this) obsidian hand 3 tetsubo (a fortress of the dragonfly cancels the drawback) 3 bloodsword (not only does kokujin steal you guys but he get's bigger by doing it too) RINGS: 1 (sorry guys) void ACTIONS: 33 2 dragonfly tattoo (to keep hitomi and kokujin coming back for more) 3 daisho technique 3 arrowroot tattoo 3 crane tattoo (stick one arrowroot and one crane tatt on the same guy to make others invincible, almost) 3 rallying cry 3 iaijutsu challenge 3 iaijutsu duel (i've been thinking about putting arts in too) 3 counter attack (have kokujin eat the enemy and smush whats left with the bloodsword bonus) 3 superior tactics 1 lessons from the past (if i get it before exp kokujin and exp kokujin before normal kokujin i use it, otherwise it's just a nice focus) 3 come one at a time 3 oath of fealty (so the new guys feal at home and the sword get's bigger) SENSEI: 1 toshimoko sensei (almost everyone's a samurai) basically i use kokujin and hitomi to steal force and win my honor or military. if i don't have a coaat, kokujin/hitomi plus a guy w/ arrowroot and crane tatts. steal a guy or two and go away safe and sound, though the province may have some pain * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:19:37 EDT From: JoshnMolly@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck In a message dated 5/25/2000 8:24:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, IceSith@aol.com writes: > yeah i know this isn't a dragon list but please help anyway). well, here > goes: Well, I am a Dragon on the Brotherhood list, so I suppose I should help you out. > stronghold > iron mountain > > DYNASTY: 42 > HOLDINGS: 21 > dragon charter > 3 gold mine > 3 gold smith Gold Smith is crap. Most of the time it is a 4 gold holding that bows for either two or three gold. Small Farms, Merchant Caravan or Large Farms even will give you the speed you will need. > 3 jade works > 3 sanctified temple > 3 hiruma dojo > 3 fortress of the dragonfly > kakita's "the sword" (hopefully it's in the mail now) Overkill on the chi boosters. A good Dragon dueler isn't going to need this much help. I'd go with maybe 2 Fortresses or one fortress and the Sword. > tattooing chamber The Tat chamber stinks. Even if you win the duel, your personality is still bowed. Heaven help you if it's Mitsu or someone with a Dragon Tat. And it costs six gold. > REGIONS: 1 > streets of otosan uchi > EVENTS: 1 > inheritence > PERSONALITIES: 19 > hitomi reju > hitomi kokujin > kitomi kokujin exp The problem with Kokujin is that he is really only good when overlaid and in one-on-one play, that is just too slow and risky a development. Quite honestly, I'd stick to cheaper duelers. Reju, Daini, Yasu, Kaagi are all good. You might try that new Kitsuki too--I haven't had much success with him but others on the Dragon list say that he's pretty good. > 3 mirumoto uso For a dueler, I'd go with Daini over Uso, but having both isn't a bad idea either. > 3 agasha gennai > hitomi exp3 > 3 mirumoto hitomi Basic Hitomi is just too pricey and too honor sensitive to be effective these days. Here I'd definately go with Daini and keep Uso. > 3 hitomi nakuso > 3 togashi mitsu > i'll add an exp2 hoshi and exp2 yokuni if i can get them Exp. 2 Yokuni isn't that great--do you mean exp. Yokuni? The living machine gun? He might be worth putting in the deck as might Hoshi--but I don't see any reason to weigh your deck down with so many expensive personalities. I wouldn't have more than two personalities with gold cost above ten in a deck--and usually only one or none. I'd decide who you want--Hitomi, Kokujin, Hoshi or Yokuni and just stay with that personality and dump the rest. No Togashi Yoshi? He's the main man in any Dragon Dueler. More valuable than Gennai, actually, and that's saying a lot. Barricades are also a good idea in a dueler. > FATE: 44 > ITEMS: 9 > ancestral armor of the dragon (on hitomi by herself it's +3/+3) Yeah, and so is Biting Steel and that only costs two gold to the eight for the Armor. > ancestral sword (took me an arm and a leg and a spleen ..... to get this) > obsidian hand > 3 tetsubo (a fortress of the dragonfly cancels the drawback) The drawbacks are minimal. Tetsubo is a good card. > 3 bloodsword (not only does kokujin steal you guys but he get's bigger by > doing it too) Work better with Hitomi Kobai. I think you are in for trouble if you are focusing your deck around one unique personality. I'd cut the Armor and 3 of the Tetsubos or bloodswords (your choice, mix and match) to get your fate deck down to 40. > RINGS: 1 (sorry guys) > void > ACTIONS: 33 > 2 dragonfly tattoo (to keep hitomi and kokujin coming back for more) > 3 daisho technique Ugh. Terrible card. Try Mirumoto's Niten if you have to, but you don't want to go around bowing your own personalities just so they can carry two weapons. Way too slow. You've got enough personalities to carry your weapons. Don't let one hog them all. > 3 arrowroot tattoo > 3 crane tattoo (stick one arrowroot and one crane tatt on the same guy to > make others invincible, almost) Won't work most of the time. Crane Tat only allows you to come back if you died in a duel or a battle, and rarely will the arrowroot person be dying because of that. > 3 rallying cry > 3 iaijutsu challenge > 3 iaijutsu duel > (i've been thinking about putting arts in too) If you want to run for honor, that's a good idea. But I don't think you do, so I'd leave them out. > 3 counter attack (have kokujin eat the enemy and smush whats left with the > bloodsword bonus) Heck, if you insist on making a go with it with Kokujin, "For the Empire" is a better card. > 3 superior tactics > 1 lessons from the past (if i get it before exp kokujin and exp kokujin > before normal kokujin i use it, otherwise it's just a nice focus) It's about your only hope to get the Kokujin combo going. > 3 come one at a time I'm the world's biggest CoaaT critic, but all my Dragon brethern disagree with me. > 3 oath of fealty (so the new guys feal at home and the sword get's bigger) Nah. If you are stealing enough people to make this worth your while, then you've already won the game. > SENSEI: 1 > toshimoko sensei (almost everyone's a samurai) What are you going to do against the Kuro Sensei? Kokujin and Hitomi can call out every one on the board, but without Pressure or Code of Bushido, the Kuro Sensei will just laugh at you. Honestly, Kuro Sensei is why I have quit playing Dragon duelers. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 04:55:57 EDT From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck Actually, the stronghold looks like a nice honor runner. So let us look at if for a sec. Your personalites look rather expensive and I would question the speed of your deck. I am thinking that you do not have too much in the way of Kiho protection. As a monk, I love the fact that you do not have a sun in shadow or Imperial edicts in your deck. The only thing you have going for you is you can go first. Your deck would be great for multiplay. Your combo of the kokujin is fun and all, but how often will you be able to actually make that combo work? Your deck has three shaky paths of victory. Personality destruction Slow Military Slow Honor gain. I would say change your deck to concentrate for maybe honor and defense with a secondary path of slow personality destruction plus duels. I would personally think about somehow working in a Kabuki Theater or two in there some how. By the way, what do you do against Phoenix military/honor run with a kuro sensei. They refuse the duel and winds truth the honor loss to you? Got any pressure or anmesia in your deck? How important is it really to bow somebody so they can use two weapons later on? I really do not think those Daisho techniques are all that great cards. One last thing, if you are going to have a dueling deck and you are dragon. Yoshi is a good add. and Kharmic strikes for Reju. More constructive criticiswm would be added if you promise to post your 40/40 open monk dream deck. If it is good I might be willing to trade you some needful cards. The trade might cost you though. What blood type are you? Whitecat31 Whitecat31 In a message dated Thu, 25 May 2000 11:24:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, IceSith@aol.com writes: << i've got my monk enlightenment deck fully decided and all i need is to get the cards. since it may not be bossible to get 3 banish all shadows, 2 avoid fates, and 2 finding the harmonies by the kotei on the 24th of next month i have a backup deck in case i can't get the cards. it's a dueling dragon deck (yeah i know this isn't a dragon list but please help anyway). well, here goes: stronghold iron mountain DYNASTY: 42 HOLDINGS: 21 dragon charter 3 gold mine 3 gold smith 3 jade works 3 sanctified temple 3 hiruma dojo 3 fortress of the dragonfly kakita's "the sword" (hopefully it's in the mail now) tattooing chamber REGIONS: 1 streets of otosan uchi EVENTS: 1 inheritence PERSONALITIES: 19 hitomi reju hitomi kokujin kitomi kokujin exp 3 mirumoto uso 3 agasha gennai hitomi exp3 3 mirumoto hitomi 3 hitomi nakuso 3 togashi mitsu i'll add an exp2 hoshi and exp2 yokuni if i can get them FATE: 44 ITEMS: 9 ancestral armor of the dragon (on hitomi by herself it's +3/+3) ancestral sword (took me an arm and a leg and a spleen ..... to get this) obsidian hand 3 tetsubo (a fortress of the dragonfly cancels the drawback) 3 bloodsword (not only does kokujin steal you guys but he get's bigger by doing it too) RINGS: 1 (sorry guys) void ACTIONS: 33 2 dragonfly tattoo (to keep hitomi and kokujin coming back for more) 3 daisho technique 3 arrowroot tattoo 3 crane tattoo (stick one arrowroot and one crane tatt on the same guy to make others invincible, almost) 3 rallying cry 3 iaijutsu challenge 3 iaijutsu duel (i've been thinking about putting arts in too) 3 counter attack (have kokujin eat the enemy and smush whats left with the bloodsword bonus) 3 superior tactics 1 lessons from the past (if i get it before exp kokujin and exp kokujin before normal kokujin i use it, otherwise it's just a nice focus) 3 come one at a time 3 oath of fealty (so the new guys feal at home and the sword get's bigger) SENSEI: 1 toshimoko sensei (almost everyone's a samurai) basically i use kokujin and hitomi to steal force and win my honor or military. if i don't have a coaat, kokujin/hitomi plus a guy w/ arrowroot and crane tatts. steal a guy or two and go away safe and sound, though the province may have some pain * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe >> * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:33:32 EDT From: IceSith@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck monk deck forthcoming. it's not perfect but i doubt i'd listen to what anybody said. i'll post it in the next message these are the changes i've got so far in my deck: >>Gold Smith is crap. Most of the time it is a 4 gold holding that bows for >>either two or three gold. Small Farms, Merchant Caravan or Large Farms even >>will give you the speed you will need. swapping smiths for small farms >>Overkill on the chi boosters. A good Dragon dueler isn't going to need this >>much help. I'd go with maybe 2 Fortresses or one fortress and the Sword. taking out a fortress or maybe 2 >>The Tat chamber stinks. Even if you win the duel, your personality is still >>bowed. Heaven help you if it's Mitsu or someone with a Dragon Tat. And it >>costs six gold. i'm gonna keep the chamber. i could just have one of my smaller guys w/ big chi do the duel instead. i bow a daini w/ tetsubo to kill anyone w/ six or less chi >>The problem with Kokujin is that he is really only good when overlaid and in >>one-on-one play, that is just too slow and risky a development. Quite >>honestly, I'd stick to cheaper duelers. Reju, Daini, Yasu, Kaagi are all >>good. You might try that new Kitsuki too--I haven't had much success with him >>but others on the Dragon list say that he's pretty good. he's still pretty good w/ out the overlay because i mainly want him to take personalities for me. >>Your combo of the kokujin is fun and all, but how often will you be able to actually >>make that combo work? it normally comes up about half the time but i don't rely on it anyway i might end up taking him out anyway though because of the honor loss >>Basic Hitomi is just too pricey and too honor sensitive to be effective these >>days. Here I'd definately go with Daini and keep Uso. i'll drop hitomi for daini (i don't have any but they shouldn't be hard to get) >>Exp. 2 Yokuni isn't that great--do you mean exp. Yokuni? The living machine >>gun? He might be worth putting in the deck as might Hoshi--but I don't see >>any reason to weigh your deck down with so many expensive personalities. I >>wouldn't have more than two personalities with gold cost above ten in a >>deck--and usually only one or none. forget the other big guns >>No Togashi Yoshi? He's the main man in any Dragon Dueler. More valuable >>than Gennai, actually, and that's saying a lot. only have one but i'll try to get the rest and exchange for gennai >>Barricades are also a good idea in a dueler. don't have. i'm not sure if i'd add them if i did though. >>I would say change your deck to concentrate for maybe honor and defense with a >>secondary path of slow personality destruction plus duels. i'll work on it >>> ancestral armor of the dragon (on hitomi by herself it's +3/+3) >> >>Yeah, and so is Biting Steel and that only costs two gold to the eight for >>the Armor. plus you have to bow the shugenja. with seven shugenja in the deck though i'll keep it and add some biting steels >>Work better with Hitomi Kobai. I think you are in for trouble if you are >>focusing your deck around one unique personality. not a focus but great if i pull it off. >>Ugh. Terrible card. Try Mirumoto's Niten if you have to, but you don't want >>to go around bowing your own personalities just so they can carry two >>weapons. Way too slow. You've got enough personalities to carry your >>weapons. Don't let one hog them all. dropping them for niten's >>Won't work most of the time. Crane Tat only allows you to come back if you >>died in a duel or a battle, and rarely will the arrowroot person be dying >>because of that. removing them >>If you want to run for honor, that's a good idea. But I don't think you do, >>so I'd leave them out. i'm going to shift more to honor and stick them in i'm also dropping oaths and lessons but keeping counterattacks since they are all around helpfull and have 4 focus i'll get some pressure's added and i'll try for a couple more code's >>As a monk, I love the fact that you do not have a sun in shadow or Imperial edicts >>in your deck. my hope against monk is to kill/steal them so they can't do the kiho. i think i'll add a doom of the brotherhood though i loath the thought >>I would personally think about somehow working in a Kabuki Theater or two in >>there some how. those maybe instead of small farms to replace goldsmiths >>and Kharmic strikes for Reju how's 2 sound? deck is now: stronghold iron mountain DYNASTY: 40 HOLDINGS: 20 dragon charter 3 gold mine 3 kabuki theatre troupe's/small farms(not sure exacly what mix or if i'll go all of one type) 3 jade works 3 sanctified temple 3 hiruma dojo 2 fortress of the dragonfly kakita's "the sword" tattooing chamber REGIONS: 1 streets of otosan uchi EVENTS: 1 inheritence PERSONALITIES: 18 hitomi reju hitomi kokujin 3 mirumoto uso 3 togashi yoshi (if i can get em otherwise gennai still) hitomi exp3 3 mirumoto daini 3 hitomi nakuso 3 togashi mitsu FATE: 44 ITEMS: 8 ancestral armor of the dragon ancestral sword 3 tetsubo 3 bloodsword RINGS: 1 void ACTIONS: 30 3 rallying cry 3 iaijutsu challenge 3 iaijutsu duel 3 iaijutsu art 3 counter attack 3 superior tactics 3 come one at a time 3 pressure 3 mirumoto's niten 3 codeof bushido SENSEI: 1 toshimoko sensei * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:04:55 EDT From: IceSith@aol.com Subject: [Brotherhood] my monk deck as promised: STRONGHOLD international house of taocakes DYNASTY:40 HOLDINGS:17 3 merchant caravan 3 jade works 3 prayer shrines 3 small farms 3 fortress of the dragonfly (for the refuge's) 1 grove of 5 masters 1 prophet's tower PERSONALITIES:18 3 chokei 3 yoshun (to be garaunteed to have lower chi for the art) 3 malekish (to get what i need faster and set up the void strike) 3 shioda 3 asako hosigeru (cheap shugenja. i prefer it to Seppun Kossori because he comes in off of stronghold and i don't need more innate abilities) 3 hoshi maseru 1 maseru exp REGIONS:5 3 refuge of the 3 sisters (1 in the mail) 2 mystic ground i considered surveyors but normally get my stuff fast enough to not need them FATE:40 SENSEI:1 kaede (had to trade it in to my store to have enough for the dragon sword) RINGS:5 earth void fire air water (start) SPELLS:3 3 walking the way KIHO:17 3 banish all shadows (don't have) 3 dharma techs 3 void strike (to ensure success on the art) 3 wisdom the wind brings (focus for the art and more deck manipulation) 3 finding the harmony (1 in the mail 2 don't have; only way to win if the hantei my arts, if i'm up against a crane honor runner who uses the favor 6 times a turn, or a scorpion manipulator that bows all my guys with asami and shapeshifters) 2 boundless depths of water ITEMS:3 3 armor of osano wo ACTIONS: 11 3 avoid fate (1 in the mail 2 don't have) 3 iaijutsu art 3 toturi is drugged (2 in the mail have 1; can be helpful with getting earth out too) 2 breach of etiquette (slow honor runners down) i'll take feedback but won't change much no matter how convincing you are * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Todo Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck monk deck forthcoming. it's not perfect but i doubt > i'd listen to what > anybody said. i'll post it in the next message Then why bother posting? Todo Shadowlands Monk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:07:47 EDT From: IceSith@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] help on my backup deck because someone on the list asked me too. there are very few things i would be willing to change. * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:56:00 EDT From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] my monk deck Suggestions. I like Asako. Hosigeru I say keep him in your deck. He is great for putting those rise from the ashes on. We are not talking cheese we are talking about winning a tournament. Also protect yourself against focused honor runners, by putting Kisada's Funeral. Really helps against Doom of the Brotherhood people. I noticed you have no Avoid Fates. I would say your deck would be toast. Don't just expect the Dharmas to save you. Also I reccomend you use the armor of earth and the gunsen of water. Usually you have either ring out and it is a free 3/3 force and each has a cool ability. Which brings us to the idea of having the Imperial gift in your deck. Two reasons, to get it first, so your opponent can't get their sword, and the free 2 honor as well as getting the armor of osana wo or the gunsen. Four other events to consider Kisada's Funeral Saves you against honor runners. Blessings of Isawa Uusually helps you out big time. War Weary...You have no followers, this will slow down follower heavy decks quickly. Emperors Peace IF you don't like using events, than go ahead and do this trick instead. Use only one event Troll Raiders. Hope it comes up in the early turns, Augury for it if you have to. When it first shows up and resolves, no other events will resolve until it shows up again in your provinces. When it shows up again Dharma tech it. No other events can occur for the rest of the game. This will definently stop those Doom of the brotherhoods. It will also annoy the piss out of event laden decks. Also drives those Master of Five people insane. Since you do not have any Banish All Shadows than you might want to consider the Wind's truth.. 4 focus and honor control is always a good thing. Especially, when you are refusing those duels. I think your deck is vulnerable to sun in shadow and imperial edicts to cancel your kihos and spells. If you are only using Iajutsu arts to get the ring of fire out, you should ask yourself what is better, a double chi kiho or a void strike kiho? Posion weapon and shosuro tech are fun as well good luck. Whitecat31 In a message dated 05/26/2000 9:06:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, IceSith@aol.com writes: << as promised: STRONGHOLD international house of taocakes DYNASTY:40 HOLDINGS:17 3 merchant caravan 3 jade works 3 prayer shrines 3 small farms 3 fortress of the dragonfly (for the refuge's) 1 grove of 5 masters 1 prophet's tower PERSONALITIES:18 3 chokei 3 yoshun (to be garaunteed to have lower chi for the art) 3 malekish (to get what i need faster and set up the void strike) 3 shioda 3 asako hosigeru (cheap shugenja. i prefer it to Seppun Kossori because he comes in off of stronghold and i don't need more innate abilities) 3 hoshi maseru 1 maseru exp REGIONS:5 3 refuge of the 3 sisters (1 in the mail) 2 mystic ground i considered surveyors but normally get my stuff fast enough to not need them FATE:40 SENSEI:1 kaede (had to trade it in to my store to have enough for the dragon sword) RINGS:5 earth void fire air water (start) SPELLS:3 3 walking the way KIHO:17 3 banish all shadows (don't have) 3 dharma techs 3 void strike (to ensure success on the art) 3 wisdom the wind brings (focus for the art and more deck manipulation) 3 finding the harmony (1 in the mail 2 don't have; only way to win if the hantei my arts, if i'm up against a crane honor runner who uses the favor 6 times a turn, or a scorpion manipulator that bows all my guys with asami and shapeshifters) 2 boundless depths of water ITEMS:3 3 armor of osano wo ACTIONS: 11 3 avoid fate (1 in the mail 2 don't have) 3 iaijutsu art 3 toturi is drugged (2 in the mail have 1; can be helpful with getting earth out too) 2 breach of etiquette (slow honor runners down) i'll take feedback but won't change much no matter how convincing you are * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe >> * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ End of Brotherhood Digest V1 #115 ********************************* * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood-digest * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, mail * brotherhood-digest-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of 'unsubscribe'