From: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org (Brotherhood Digest) To: brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Subject: Brotherhood Digest V1 #114 Reply-To: brotherhood Sender: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Errors-To: owner-brotherhood-digest@flwyd.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Brotherhood Digest Thursday, May 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 114 Today's subjects from the Brotherhood: [Brotherhood] A new deck Re: [Brotherhood] A new deck Re: [Brotherhood] A new deck Re: [Brotherhood] A new deck [Brotherhood] Shioda Re: [Brotherhood] Shioda RE: [Brotherhood] Shioda Re: [Brotherhood] Shioda RE: [Brotherhood] Shioda RE: [Brotherhood] Shioda [Brotherhood] Trades and Cards. Re: [Brotherhood] Trades and Cards. Re: [Brotherhood] Trades and Cards. Re: [Brotherhood] Trades and Cards. [Brotherhood] What is your best open Monk deck? Re: [Brotherhood] What is your best open Monk deck? Re: [Brotherhood] What is your best open Monk deck? Re: [Brotherhood] What is your best open Monk deck? [Brotherhood] Blame the Ninja! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Todo Subject: [Brotherhood] A new deck I put this one together last night, and it's doing pretty well. SH: International House of Tao Starting Ring: Fire Sensei: Hiruma (if FETA is big in your area, I'd use Hantei instead to take out FtH, but military is big here, so Hiruma helps me more. DYNASTY: Hi Tsu x3 Hanoshi x3 Heichi Chokei x3 Shioda x3 Hizuka x2 Takao exp2 Asako Sagoten x2 (just in case) Prayer Shrines x3 Jade Works x3 Small Farm x3 Merchant Caravan x3 Vows of Brotherhood Hawks and Falcons x3 Bonsai Gardens x2 (I don't have any Temples to Shinsei, anyone have extra?) Prophets Tower Sorrows Path x3 (these two are the clincher against military) Regions of Rokugan Architects of the Wall Hidden Emperor Emperor's Peace Restoring Doji Treasury Naga Storm Mirumoto Mountain FATE: Iaijutsu Challenge x3 Iaijutsu Duel x3 Moment Before the Strike x3 Come One at a Time x3 Tetsubo x3 Nunchaku (only have one) Entrapping Terrain x3 Block Supply Lines x3 Flooded Pass x3 Superior Tactics x3 Strike of Flowing Water x3 Imperial Edicts x3 (little more FtH protection + 4 Focus) All Distances are One x3 (to put the sorrows path on the Prophets Tower province) Ring of Earth Ring of Void Any ideas on how to improve it? Needless to say, it wins by honor. Todo Shadowlands Monk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:58:07 GMT From: "Gael Lancelot" Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] A new deck Why don't you replace the Hawks and Falcons by Kabuki Theater Troupes? It worked for me... Shiba Akaijin Phoenix Clan Shinseist Shugenja Monk Seminarist ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Todo Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] A new deck > Why don't you replace the Hawks and Falcons by > Kabuki Theater Troupes? It > worked for me... Don't have any. Todo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Todo Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] A new deck heh, I've made changes to my own deck. :-P > Moment Before the Strike x3 dropped for x3 Dharma Tech and added one False Tao to slow down FETAs. Todo Shadowlands Monk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:55:45 +1000 From: Dave McLoughlin Subject: [Brotherhood] Shioda Greetings Brothers Sorry guys, been lurking for while, been too damn busy. I have a question about Shioda... Has the card text been changed at all?, do we still need to have to Ring of Void in play to bring Shioda into play? Kirazo (tattooed monk, legion of the wolf) * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Todo Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Shioda > Has the card text been changed at all?, do we still > need to have to Ring > of Void in play to bring Shioda into play? > > Kirazo > (tattooed monk, legion of the wolf) You must not have the real Shioda. The one you are looking at it is from that Seige set. The real Shioda from SCC (if that is the set), only says that you must have a ring, no specific one, in play. Play him with that text. Todo Shadowlands Monk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:10:31 -0700 From: "Scott Schultz" Subject: RE: [Brotherhood] Shioda >Has the card text been changed at all?, do we still need to have to Ring >of Void in play to bring Shioda into play? Hate to break it to ya, but you never DID need the Ring of Void in play to play Shioda. You have the Siege of Sleeping Mountain version which is simplified for play with that set. The real version simply requires A ring (that is, any Ring). The older version overrides the new in this case. Shioda originally appeared in Scorpion Clan Coup, so it's not too hard to find the real copies of him if you search around a bit. He also appeared as a foil in Fire and Shadow if you prefer the white borders. Scott Schultz scott@ceweekly.com Enlightenment Wannabe 45th member of the Horiuchi Shoan Fan Club Save the Ogres! * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:08:53 -0400 From: Brent Keith Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Shioda Quoth Kirazo: >I have a question about Shioda... > >Has the card text been changed at all?, do we still need to have to Ring >of Void in play to bring Shioda into play? > The original text merely requires an elemental ring, not necessarily the Ring of Void. The Siege of Sleeping Mountain copy specifies the RoV, but it is designed to be "simplified" for new players. That set does not change the official wording. You just need a ring - any ring. No, they won't make that mistake again. - -Shosho Mercenary & Mujina Wrangler * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:32:14 +1000 From: Dave McLoughlin Subject: RE: [Brotherhood] Shioda As we say in Aus... "well I'll be buggered", that is good news, I had a niggling feeling there was something different about some of 'the siege' versions of cards. I was looking at using a Shioda/Refuge of the 3 sisters combo to access my fate deck as I only have one walking the way. Thanks for the prompt reply brothers. Kirazo (tatooed monk, Legion of the Wolf) PS. Any other ideas for accessing the cards I want/need from my fate deck would be most welcome. >Hate to break it to ya, but you never DID need the Ring of Void in >play to play Shioda. You have the Siege of Sleeping Mountain version >which is simplified for play with that set. The real version simply >requires A ring (that is, any Ring). The older version overrides the >new in this case. Shioda originally appeared in Scorpion Clan Coup, >so it's not too hard to find the real copies of him if you search >around a bit. He also appeared as a foil in Fire and Shadow if you prefer >the white borders. > >Scott Schultz >scott@ceweekly.com >Enlightenment Wannabe >45th member of the Horiuchi Shoan Fan Club >Save the Ogres! > > > > > > >* You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood >* To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, >* mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:53:16 -0700 From: "Scott Schultz" Subject: RE: [Brotherhood] Shioda >As we say in Aus... "well I'll be buggered", that is good news, I had a >niggling feeling there was something different about some of 'the siege' >versions of cards. Yeah, about 25-30% of the cards were significantly changed in some way. Most weren't changed at all or were just re-worded to make their meaning a bit more clear. >I was looking at using a Shioda/Refuge of the 3 sisters combo to access my >fate deck as I only have one walking the way. If you've got 'em, Imperial Surveyor's (Fire and Shadow Uncommon) work well with the Refuge. If you can get a couple of Dragonfly Fortresses in play, along with the Surveyor, a refuge and a bunch of expendable 3C guys (Hoshi Wayan, for instance) then you don't need Walking the Way. You can get cards for as long as your personalities hold out. I'm not sure what effect a deck that "eats" its personalities for Fate cards would have if it won GenCon. :^) Scott Schultz scott@ceweekly.com Enlightenment Wannabe 45th member of the Horiuchi Shoan Fan Club Save the Ogres! * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:13:31 EDT From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: [Brotherhood] Trades and Cards. So you need walking the way and other cards? Well some of the members of this email list do trade cards. But trading monk clan stuff on this page is like pulling teeth out. The best place I have gone to trade is the site at the Formely Corrupt Lion Page. It is now called the deathseeker page. This is a link. The Shadowlands Refuge of the Lion Clan Click on the side for trades and post and read. If you need cards feel free to send me a haves/want list. I have also done over 100 internet email/slowmail trades and have over 90 email references. I am always willing to consider a trade. I think I have traded for every card except for the designer wins card. I migth have been able to get that to, but the guy wanted three wedges and 6 swords..EEK I am a member of the GAB. GAB stands for Good traders Against Bad traders. they have a website. G.A.B. Main Page Now for getting cards. There is a new card called the Imperial Surveyor. With him you can recycle your Refuge of the Three sisters cards real well. This makes them reusabale. If you use the Fortress of the Dragonfly you can increase your personalites chi by one for each fortress you have in play, so you can make shioda able to blow himself up to get even a ring. This is real handy if you decide to to play the Iron Citadel and raise your province strength to 15 and nuke out your Kaede Sensei. Does anybody remember how enlightenment was always destroyed by that stupid New Years Celebration event that made us discard our hands and get five new cards? Suddenly it was Plan B time, because the Ring of Earth is sitting in my discard pile and I don't play with Bonsai gardens. Remember guys old school monk does not celebrate the New Year. Whitecat31 In a message dated 05/24/2000 2:32:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dmclough@lis.net.au writes: << As we say in Aus... "well I'll be buggered", that is good news, I had a niggling feeling there was something different about some of 'the siege' versions of cards. I was looking at using a Shioda/Refuge of the 3 sisters combo to access my fate deck as I only have one walking the way. Thanks for the prompt reply brothers. Kirazo (tatooed monk, Legion of the Wolf) PS. Any other ideas for accessing the cards I want/need from my fate deck would be most welcome. >> * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:37:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Todo Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Trades and Cards. > Does anybody remember how enlightenment was always > destroyed by that stupid > New Years Celebration event that made us discard our > hands and get five new > cards? > Suddenly it was Plan B time, because the Ring of > Earth is sitting in my > discard pile and I don't play with Bonsai gardens. > Remember guys old school monk does not celebrate the > New Year. Did anyone ever play New Years? I have yet to see it in a deck. At all. I do remember back in the 30/30 days. I was facing a LSD, and I got 3 rings in one battle! I did lose the game though, but it was worth it! Todo Shadowlands Monk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:57:32 ADT From: "Repairman Jack" Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Trades and Cards. <> On the other hand, one player here is just visiting to help others "play Enlightenment" - having done so repeatedly through Yoritomo's Alliance. The upshot is - I _do_ have some Brotherhood stuff left available for trade [not all of it was of use to our local Brotherhood player]. Not every card. Some. Still, feel free to write me directly [rather than spam this list. Especially if anyone here snags ahold of Gusai from the "Assembly Members Only" set [grins]. Especially then. Toritaka Genaru Falcon Clan Scout. Crab Clan Samurai. Yoritomo's Alliance. http://www.geocities.com/islandofsilk/ andrew Aulenback YA++/CB+ S+ G+ R+ Y [P:M H 4 E(1)O EJ SJ-] Sc(56) C+ E++ ?M T D+ [o-ushi] U++ "In the ports of the Empire, strange gems and bitter sake are for sale. They say they are treasures from the Mantis lands, but where do the Mantis find them?" - Yasuki Taka ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:14:22 +0200 From: "Gen" Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] Trades and Cards. > > Does anybody remember how enlightenment was always > > destroyed by that stupid > > New Years Celebration event that made us discard our > > hands and get five new > > cards? > > Suddenly it was Plan B time, because the Ring of > > Earth is sitting in my > > discard pile and I don't play with Bonsai gardens. > > Remember guys old school monk does not celebrate the > > New Year. > > Did anyone ever play New Years? I have yet to see it > in a deck. At all. Ow, come one, I'm searching one at the moment for a Doom of the Dark Lord - alright, that's about he one type of deck that needs it ... Gen, kenku monk * Kolat " Why a mouse when it turns around ? " http://gober.resj.insa-lyon.fr/gen/l5r/ * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 04:15:44 EDT From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: [Brotherhood] What is your best open Monk deck? Greetings to all, Hi guys I am looking for ideas right now for an Open deck for monk enlightenment. Does anybody out there have any good decks they would like to share? I want to make sure I have the best deck possible for the upcoming Kotei. Whitecat31 * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:15:35 +0200 From: "Gen" Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] What is your best open Monk deck? > Greetings to all, > Hi guys I am looking for ideas right now for an Open deck for monk enlightenment. Does anybody out there have any good decks they would like to share? > I want to make sure I have the best deck possible for the upcoming Kotei. I might be wrong, but I don't think Monk enlightenment has lost anything from Open to JadeEx. Enlightened Ruler is now useless because of Kaede Sensei, and the acolytes, though having real nice abilities, are too expensive for this environment IMO. So unless (hopefully) I've forgotten something, an open enlightenment deck will look mostly like a JadeEx enlightenment deck ... Gen, kenku monk * Kolat " Why a mouse when it turns around ? " http://gober.resj.insa-lyon.fr/gen/l5r/ * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:17:12 EDT From: Whitecat31@aol.com Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] What is your best open Monk deck? In a message dated Thu, 25 May 2000 6:07:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Gen" writes: << > Greetings to all, > Hi guys I am looking for ideas right now for an Open deck for monk enlightenment. Does anybody out there have any good decks they would like to share? > I want to make sure I have the best deck possible for the upcoming Kotei. I might be wrong, but I don't think Monk enlightenment has lost anything from Open to JadeEx. Enlightened Ruler is now useless because of Kaede Sensei, and the acolytes, though having real nice abilities, are too expensive for this environment IMO. So unless (hopefully) I've forgotten something, an open enlightenment deck will look mostly like a JadeEx enlightenment deck ... Well I can counter you on that Enlightened Ruller could actually be very helpful against Dishonor decks as well as Favor Control. Also if You sneak a Dashmar in there you can bow Dashmar to automatically win if you are at 40 honor. Sneak a his most favored in there and maybe get another fast 5 honor. The wasting disease could be a fun spell as well as to personality destruction. Another fun trick could be using Stale winds. Gives you something fun and easy to bow for the ring of air. And with the fun kiho of rest my brother( I think it is the one that destroys personalities without the shadowlands trait printed on the card but with the shadowlands taint) you can destroy all those mean one honor people he has. Yes, most of the monk decks out there work real well in the Jade extended environment. I just want to see some examples of peoples Open Monk decks. Which it would be nice if you actually supplied your own to take a look at. David Starr Whitecat31 * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:15:38 ADT From: "Repairman Jack" Subject: Re: [Brotherhood] What is your best open Monk deck? <> No decks, no [unless you want to play Yoritomo's Alliance Enlightenment [grins]]. On the other hand, I do have a suggestion: Yodin. Okay, so it's an obvious suggestion, but when a 3 chi Monk has an ability that allows you even more Ring manipulation, you really have to think about it... Picture Kaede Sensei along with an overlaid Yodin [and the Tao of Shinsei attached]. Go get one Ring, play all five... Toritaka Genaru Falcon Clan Scout. Crab Clan Samurai. Yoritomo's Alliance. http://www.geocities.com/islandofsilk/ andrew Aulenback YA++/CB+ S+ G+ R+ Y [P:M H 4 E(1)O EJ SJ-] Sc(56) C+ E++ ?M T D+ [o-ushi] U++ "In the ports of the Empire, strange gems and bitter sake are for sale. They say they are treasures from the Mantis lands, but where do the Mantis find them?" - Yasuki Taka ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:22:33 GMT From: "Ahmad Kamal Abdollah" Subject: [Brotherhood] Blame the Ninja! Greetings brothers, Suana took some of our shrine for a trip to Isawa lands, to see a play held by a lowly Asako theater troupe. The play, a comedy, was quite refreshingly funny, if a bit irreverent and had more cursing than a Hida mess hall. It follows the journey of a group of four acolytes (I do not know why the Acolyte of Earth got such a minor role, although she was the Acolyte of Void's love interest), who get turned into Ninja and eventually regain their souls. I must admit the low quality costumes and props did in no way stop the play from being brilliant, and the songs they sang were excellent. Of great note is this anthem that our armies could very well sing to cheer themselves up in this time of crisis. I have acquired the lyrics from the playwright, Asako Wakojako. (setting: The Acolyte of Water was provoked by his Ninjified brethren into blowing himself up by casting a powerful spell. This made their Shiba guardians angry and militant, quite a feat for teh apparent pacifists. Suddenly Tsukune breaks into song...) - ------------------------------------ Times have changed, our kids are losing face, They used to hate the shadow but now they're steeped in that disgrace. Should we blame the Emperor? Or morbid destiny? Or should we blame the ingredients of our tea? NO! Blame the Ninja! Blame the Ninja! With that face: the lack of nose, and what of eyes they're missing those. Blame the Ninja! Blame the Ninja! We need to form a full assault, It's the Ninjas' fault! Don't blame me, for the Acolyte of Void. He got kidnapped by Ninja, and now his face is all destroyed! And the Acolyte of Fire, was Ninjified himself, and when I challenge him, he tells me to go kill myself! Blame the Ninja! Blame the Ninja! It seems that everything's gone wrong since the Ninja came along. Blame the Ninja! Blame the Ninja! They're not even a real clan anyway. It's such a shame to see that they got Hosigeru. He tried to cast a spell that was too strong so he just blew. Or should we blame the magic? Or should we blame the Water? Or that wizened crazy Elemental Master? Heck No! Blame the Ninja! Blame the Ninja! With all their Shadow hullabaloo, And that bitch the Mystic too. Blame the Ninja! Shame on the Ninja! For their evil we must kill, And let the Shadow be dealt a blow, Let's fight, don't run, or we'll be undone! We must blame them to cause a fuss, Before somebody thinks of blaming us! - ------------ There were other splendid songs, but this was by far the best by my own humble opinion. Suana seems to be a good judge of plays. A lot more outgoing than Takao is anyway. I heartily recommend you to watch this magnificent, very funny, play. Not for those with Matsu blood I'm afraid... Kaneboshi Scarlet Shireikan * Monk ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, * mail brotherhood-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of unsubscribe ------------------------------ End of Brotherhood Digest V1 #114 ********************************* * You received this message because you're subscribed to brotherhood-digest * To send a message, mail brotherhood@flwyd.dhs.org To unsubscribe, mail * brotherhood-digest-request@flwyd.dhs.org with a body of 'unsubscribe'